Saturday, May 9, 2015

The Arab-Palestinian claim to sovereignty over east Jerusalem under the principle of self-determination of peoples cannot supersede the Jewish right to self-determination in Jerusalem.

As Professor Stephen Schwebel, former judge on the Hague's International Court of Justice notes:
The The-Palestinian claim to sovereignty over east Jerusalem under the principle of self-determination of peoples cannot supersede the Jewish right to self-determination in Jerusalem. 
While Arabs constituted an ethnic majority only in the artificial entity of "East Jerusalem" created by Jordan's illegal division of the city, the armistice lines forming this artificial entity were never intended to determine the borders of, or political sovereignty over, the city. Moreover, Jews constituted the majority ethnic group in unified Jerusalem both in the century before Jordan's invasion, and since 1967 (the exception being during Jordan's illegal occupation).

Nothing is more important then settling Judea Samaria. Israel will compromise with US on everything, except rights on Judea Samaria. EU has no rights to preach anything to Jews, but to pray and ask G-d forgiveness for the next 1000 years. Time has come for diaspora Jews to support Israel by buying second home in Judea Samaria. Two State Solution already exist and this is Jewish State of Israel and Arab Palestinian State of Jordan. Jordan River is a border.

What effect has the UN had on Assad of Syria?
What effect has the UN had on Putin's annexation of Crimea?
What effect has the UN had on Egypt?
What effect has the UN had on on all the dictatorships of the Middle East?
What effect has the UN had on on Sri Lanka, Myranmar, Libya, all the Arab/Islamic factions killing and torturing each other? etc etc etc
To all the above....Zilch, Nada, Niet, Rien and Nothing.
Israel take note do what you must and adhere to the obligation to the Jewish people, ensure the establishment of all necessary secure and entitled to borders of Eretz Yisroel.
Any nation that worries about the machinations and the decisions of the UN, the utterly useless non productive talking shop owned and governed by the majority of dictatorships and religious anti humanity governments is practicing an exercise in futility.

When Jews say, “The land is ours. God gave this land to us {Jews}.” You are quoting Moses, who told the Jews that God promised the Jews all the land from the Euphrates to the Nile: “The Promised Land.” Genesis 15: 18-21
But it seems God reneged on that, and then Jews believed God gave them all the land of Palestine. But then God let the Jews down again when in Judges 2 21-23, he said “I will no longer drive out before them any of the nations which Joshua left when he died.” Many semite nations inhabited Palestine when God said that, including in Judea and Samaria. So how much land was left for God to give to the Jews then? When Israel declared statehood, Jews owned less than 6% of the land of Palestine. Was that the land God promised? How much of the land God gave Jews can they build on? What about Jerusalem? Apparently God didn’t mention Jerusalem, at least Moses didn’t quote him as mentioning the city.
And because of the words of Moses there is a potential unceasing threat to peace in the Middle East. According to Zionist maps, the Promised Land includes parts of Jordan, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, and portions of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq. Jews have not yet received that land. The threat the international community faces is the prospect of Jews trying to invade, conquer and occupy all the land from the Euphrates to the Nile because they are the Chosen People, and God promised them that land (according to Moses). Is it possible that Jewish imperial wars will be the future that mankind must look forward to? Could God have broken his promise? Or could Moses have been a liar?
Israel invaded Lebanon for military reasons. But it was not for military reasons that Israel stayed in Lebanon for 18 years. Southern Lebanon is part of the promised land.
And the international community that talks of a two-state solution in Palestine, doesn’t understand that Judea and Samaria, and the Golan Heights are part of the Promised Land. Who among the Jews will defy the word of God, according to Moses, and negotiate away the Promised Land? Thanks to Moses, there won’t be a two-state solution.
But what about Moses? Was the story he told about Jews a fable? There is no evidence at all that Israelites were ever slaves in Egypt. There are no inscriptions from the relevant period that ever mentioned the Israelites. Although the ancient Egyptians kept extraordinarily detailed records of their daily lives, including all kinds of contracts and transactions, they never mentioned a race of slaves in their midst, even over a supposed period of 430 years. This omission is all the more surprising if we literally accept the number of Hebrew slaves claimed by the Book of Exodus - 600,000 fighting men, equivalent to 2.5 million men, women and children, or two thirds of the Egyptian population at the time. Strictly speaking, there has never been any clear evidence discovered in Egypt, or elsewhere, to support the Israelite Exodus from Egypt, though there is no small amount of conjecture and theories. In fact, today it is fashionable, among Egyptologists, archaeologists and even some Jewish scholars to doubt the whole biblical story.
In fact, there is no evidence outside the Torah that Moses ever existed. Whether he was made up out of whole-cloth, or whether there is some historical basis behind the legend, is impossible to say. The best one can do is consider that extensive archeological surveys throughout the Sinai region seem to have thoroughly discredited the possibility that any population movement as massive as the Exodus described in the Torah ever occurred. A Hebrew column of 2.5 million people 10 abreast would have stretched 250 miles through the desert. And Moses led that column for 40 years to cover a distance of 277 miles?
Details of Moses' life seem to have been lifted from earlier legends; specifically, the idea that his mother placed him in a basket and floated him down a river is reminiscent of a legend involving Sargon of Akkad. Linguists have speculated that the name "Moses" is etymologically connected with the Egyptian name Rameses. "Ra-Moses" is a legitimate name for an Egyptian living at the relevant time period.
Prominent archaeologists and Egyptologists dispute the existence of Moses as well as the veracity of the Exodus story, citing logical inconsistencies, new archaeological evidence, historical evidence, and related origin myths in Canaanite culture.
And if the story of Moses, and the Exodus is a fable, what does that say about the claim of the land God promised to Jews, and Jews being the Chosen People, according to Moses?
And Jews expect the 7 billion people of the world to accept the Jewish claim that God gave them the “The promised land,” because 13.5 million Jews say so? There are a few skeptics about the word of Moses: more skeptics than there are Jews.
So forget “The homeland of Israel belongs to the Jewish people.” From the date of the first Jewish kingdom, 1020 BC., until today, 3,032 years, Jews have held sovereignty over Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem for a total of 513 years: and not since 63 BC., and still don’t today. Others have governed Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem for 2,519 years. Control of that land for such a brief period of time in the window of world history hardly conveys title of the land to Jews for eternity. Think of something else to justify occupying Palestinian land.

Census 1922 or what the UN calls a nation have zero to do with reality. Of course you would not quote a 1948 census of Yeroushalaiim because then a crushing Jewish majority existed in the Jewish capital. The land of Israel was liberated from the Jordanian land grab and from where all Jews were cleansed out. Jews simply are returning to the land of Israel. The way you write, you must be British. So there is no surprise here about your writing propose. Most of the troubles in the Middle east have to do with British colonial land grabbing and the creation of Arab states pitting nations against nations. By the way when are you going to disgorge Gibraltar, the Malvinas, the French isles in La Manche?
BY the way the 1922 census had 33,971 Jews,13,413 Muslims 14,669 Christians. In 1922 Jews were the majority of the capital of the Jewish nation. Why do you make up numbers?

For the land of the West Bank to be owned by Palestinian and the land to be considered Palestinian territory did not require that a Palestinian nation exist.
The 1878 Ottoman census in Jerusalem, Nablus, and Acre districts (largest population centers) registered 403,789 Muslim Arabs, and 43,659 Christian Arabs, for a total of 447,448 Palestinian Arabs, and 15,011 Jews.
The British Mandate 1922 census listed 569,177 Palestinian Arabs, 83,790 Jews, and Jews owned 3% of the land.
According to the Report of the UN Special Committee for the Partition of Palestine, dated 11 November 1947, Palestine land ownership data recorded the following.
Out of a total land mass of 26,323 km² in Palestine:
The British mandates controlled 86 km² for public land, or .003% of the land.
Roads, railways, rivers and lakes encompassed 135 km², or .0051% of the land.
Jews owned 1,491 km² or 5.6% of the land.
Palestinian Arabs owned 24,760 km², or 94.1% of the land.
The UN Security Council has declared Israeli-occupied PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES to be "the Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem." The Security Council made that declaration in 27 UNSC Resolutions. A conference of the parties to the 4th Geneva Convention, the ICRC , and the Israel Supreme Court have also resolved that these territories are occupied.
The court said:"Judea and Samaria [West Bank] and the Gaza area are lands seized during warfare, and are not part of Israel.”
Occupied Palestinian Territory is the term used by the United Nations to refer to the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip—territories which were captured by Israel during the 1967 Six-Day War
"You cannot like the word, but what is happening is an occupation -- to hold 3.5 million Palestinians under occupation. I believe that is a terrible thing.” Ariel Sharon, May 2003.
UNSC resolution 694 declares that the action of the Israeli authorities of deporting four Palestinians on 18 May is in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, which is applicable to all the PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES occupied by Israel since 1967.
According to Talia Sasson the High Court of Justice in Israel, with a variety of different justices sitting, has repeatedly stated for more than 4 decades that Israel’s presence in the West Bank is in violation of international law.
No such thing as Palestinian territory?
These 13 UNSC resolutions declare there is such a thing as Palestinian territory and that Israel is occupying that “Palestinian territory.”
UNSC 446-establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967
UNSC 465-status of the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem,
UNSC 592-is applicable to the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967,
UNSC 605-"to the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem".
UNSC 607-Expresses "grave concern over the situation in the occupied Palestinian territories",
UNSC 608-return to the occupied Palestinian territories
UNSC 636-and immediate return to the occupied Palestinian territories
UNSC 694-which is applicable to all the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem",
UNSC 726- to all the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967,
UNSC 799-to all the Palestinian territories occupied by Israel since 1967, including Jerusalem,
UNSC 904-consequent Palestinian casualties in the occupied Palestinian territory
UNSC 1402-"calls for the withdrawal of Israeli troops from Palestinian cities, including Ramallah".
UNSC 1435-withdrawal of the Israeli occupying forces from Palestinian cities.
In the fifth paragraph of UNSC 242, it says: “Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.”
Whose territory does that passage refer to Tibetan? Apache? Sri Lankan?
Now tell us how much of the post you are addressing is not true. Because you are ignorant does not mean that other readers of these pages are.

Looks like the EU would do better to mind their own issues and leave the Israelis to their tried and true techniques against the terrorists of Gaza and the West Bank. There is no such thing as a Palestinian. If they want a state so bad (which they don't, they are just using that excuse to destroy Israel), the Arab countries that have refused them citizenship to keep this conflict going can start granting citizenship. OR they can become Israeli Arab citizens that have the most rights and priveledges that any Arab outside of the western countries have ever known. Arab countries certainly don't give their people as many rights. The EU is currently being engulfed by Islamic radicalism and Islamic only blocks and cities so it seems to me that maybe the EU should tend to it's own internal problems before trying to boss Israel around like a prepubescent girl playing babysitter. That goes for the US and Kerry who can't seem to keep his true opinion of Israel under the radar despite supposedly being a Jew and despite his diplomatic position. Sniveling little babies bowing to Islam and terrorists. Disgusting. This is why the EU is in shambles and the US won't be far behind. Islam isn't "peace", it's the antithesis of peace. All of Islam is "radical" and there is no such thing as a "moderate"!

The Muslim population of Europe represents just 5.2% of the population. They are impotent non-players on the EU political stage. And, much to Israel‘s chagrin, they do not influence EU criticism of Israeli policies and actions.
Israelis cannot face the fact that criticism of Israel has absolutely nothing to do with Muslim influence in the world. Criticism of Israel comes from the fact that Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than all the nations combined. Its settlements violate the 4th Geneva Convention and it blockade of Gaza has been termed the worst violation of human rights taking place in the world today
Also. totally related to any Muslim influence there is a rapidly growing global movement, now in over 70 nations, for boycott, divestment and sanctions against Israel and its rogue nation status as the world’s leading violator of int’l laws. It has absolutely nothing to do with Muslims or Muslim influence.
The most serious threat to Israel, and one that will lead to her destruction, is the apparently too prominent Israeli Jewish mentality that says no peace can be achieved which permits a sovereign, independent Palestinian state in Palestine, because “the Arabs are committed to destroy Israel:” even though no Jew can name any Arab head of state that calls for Israel’s destruction.
That tired, hackneyed charge, considered ludicrous by the rest of the world, will eventually lead to Israel’s complete isolation from the world community, it has already earned Israel the title of a rogue nation, and Israel, as we know it today, will not survive such isolation if it continues to spread and deepen.
The world community of nations supports a two-state solution to the Palestinian, Israel problem, because common sense dictates that an independent, sovereign Palestinian state would not represent a security threat to Israel. Palestinians have never had an independent Palestinian nation. They have always been occupied.
If there were finally to be, for the first time in their history a sovereign Palestinian state, an internationally recognized member of the UN, with all the obligations UN member states must meet, only an idiot would assume the Palestinians would jeopardize that sovereignty by attacking Israel. They would no longer be insurgents struggling against an occupying power, but a sovereign nation attacking another sovereign state, also a UN member: a “casus belli,” against a nation with the 4th or 5th most powerful, sophisticated armed forces in the world, armed with nuclear weapons.
For those Israelis who maintain Israel could not defend itself from a Palestinian state with the 1967 borders, they make themselves appear as a sick paranoid segment of their population. Israeli borders were defensible in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973. And the IDF is stronger now than it was during any of those threats to Israel.
“They {Arabs} don’t want peace.” That statement represents an appalling lack of a grasp of the subject matter available on the subject. The Arab League made two serious peace proposals to Israel: first in 2002, and then again in 2007. Every Arab state signed it and it was strongly backed by the Saudis who, in fact, drafted it.
Under its terms, in exchange for Israeli withdrawal from the occupied territories and resolution of the Palestinian refugee problem: The Arab countries affirmed the following.
(I) Consider the Arab-Israeli conflict ended, and enter into a peace agreement with Israel, and provide security for all the states of the region; (II) Establish normal relations with Israel in the context of this comprehensive peace.
The Arab League Initiative is not a full-blown peace treaty. It is rather a framework under which Israel would conduct negotiations with the goal of reaching agreements on all the critical points. Nothing would be dictated to either side; nothing could take effect without full agreement by both sides.
In essence, the Arab League Initiative was a golden offer to Israel by every single Arab state (the end of conflict and isolation in return for giving up the lands won in the 1967 war. The Palestinian Authority also signed it and Hamas said that if a deal was reached, it would not “contradict the Arab consensus.”
But Israel flat-out refused to consider it. That pretty much killed it although the offer is still out there, ready for Israel to seize the opportunity at any time.
Of course, Prime Minister Netanyahu and his right-wing government have never indicated any interest in a deal that requires giving up the occupied territories, which, of course, rules out any deal at all.
The Secretary General of the United Nations, the then United States special envoy to the Middle East, George Mitchell, the Quartet on the Middle East, The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, the Senior Fellow and Director of the U.S./Middle East Project at the Council on Foreign Relations, the EU, and chiefs of state throughout the world, endorsed and praised the peace initiatives.
And the sad thing about the Israeli refusal, is that Israel will never have peace and be accepted as an honorable law-abiding member of the international community until its ends the occupation of Palestinian territory.
The wrong person you elected was Benjamin Netanyahu.This is the man who has led Israel to become more isolated from the international community than at any time in its history. This is the man who, according to a poll conducted for the BBC in 2011, has led Israel to be regarded as one of the most negatively viewed countries in the world, ranking at the bottom of the chart along with Iran, North Korea and Pakistan.
This is the leader who has led Israel to earn the title of “rogue nation.”
This is the leader who vigorously reinforced the Israeli policy of disregard for and violation of international law that has spurred a growing international movement to mount campaigns of Boycotts, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel. Joining the movement are boycotts by UK labor unions, a South African Trade Unions BDS campaign.The Israeli Journalist Federation dismissed from the International Federation of Journalists, Spanish academic boycott of Ariel University because it is located on occupied Pal territory, the French Solidaires Industries BDS campaign, joined by the Belgian Trade Union Federation, Indian Cochin Port Union, and Basque trade unions in Spain., etc., etc., etc. The Movement has now spread to over 70 countries.

Since the EU is so willing to negotiate with palestinian terrorists and so sympathetic to their aspirations, maybe they should provide a sanctuary for these rare birds. After all islamists already dominate whole counties in France, Belgium, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, UK, Finland, Germany and so on. Israel will give 10 years to this noble experiment and will then gladly apply the valuable lessons learned in EU (or the New Caliphate of Europe).

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