Jordan is Arab-Palestine - The autonomous Jewish nation was in Jordan as much as in Israel
In fact, Jewish sovereignty STARTED in Jordan over 4 millennia ago, with defeat of Amorites under Moses' lead! The tribe of Reuven, Gad and half of Menasheh were the FIRST to have designated land! Only later, when Moses passed away did Joshua lead the rest of the Israelites into Canaan and conquered the area.
What we today call Jordan was ours, as a people, BEFORE what we today call Israel!
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Even in the 2nd commonwealth. The Jewish sovereign kingdom under the Hasmoneans included all the inhabitable area of today's "Jordan".
Jordan is "Palestine" as much as Israel can be claimed to be.
As for options, though none are necessarily easy, "outcome thesis" of not preserving the "status quo" has to be a population transfer, as much as people like to shy away from it. The Arab countries have expelled over a million Jews, confiscated their assets, businesses, homes and land "5-6 times the size of Israel, valued in the trillions of dollars. Israel has taken the responsibility and settled the million expelled Jews from Arab countries. It is time for the Arab countries to settle the Arab-Palestinian on lands they confiscated from the million Jewish people and or settle them in Jordan - which was part of Israel.
1) the world pressure for Israel to be 8-15 miles wide is increasing
2) we know what happens when Arabs, er, "Palestinians" have Israel leave. Gaza.
Jordan IS Palestine. It is 78% of the British Palestine Mandate, its population is 80% Palestinian, and its numerically insignificant royal family are British imports from another area entirely (modern day Saudi Arabia - which used to have a large Jewish population), circa 1920.
Israel can not be 8 miles wide. If Palestine/Jordan wants to be antagonistic they will reap what they sow. Its time for the weakness of 20 centuries of ghetto living, to come out of the Jew. When this is done we will be alright, with the Almighty's help.
What we today call Jordan was ours, as a people, BEFORE what we today call Israel!
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Even in the 2nd commonwealth. The Jewish sovereign kingdom under the Hasmoneans included all the inhabitable area of today's "Jordan".
Jordan is "Palestine" as much as Israel can be claimed to be.
As for options, though none are necessarily easy, "outcome thesis" of not preserving the "status quo" has to be a population transfer, as much as people like to shy away from it. The Arab countries have expelled over a million Jews, confiscated their assets, businesses, homes and land "5-6 times the size of Israel, valued in the trillions of dollars. Israel has taken the responsibility and settled the million expelled Jews from Arab countries. It is time for the Arab countries to settle the Arab-Palestinian on lands they confiscated from the million Jewish people and or settle them in Jordan - which was part of Israel.
1) the world pressure for Israel to be 8-15 miles wide is increasing
2) we know what happens when Arabs, er, "Palestinians" have Israel leave. Gaza.
Jordan IS Palestine. It is 78% of the British Palestine Mandate, its population is 80% Palestinian, and its numerically insignificant royal family are British imports from another area entirely (modern day Saudi Arabia - which used to have a large Jewish population), circa 1920.
Israel can not be 8 miles wide. If Palestine/Jordan wants to be antagonistic they will reap what they sow. Its time for the weakness of 20 centuries of ghetto living, to come out of the Jew. When this is done we will be alright, with the Almighty's help.
YJ Draiman
P.S. How many holidays do the Arabs celebrate due to historical events in the land of ancient Israel. The Jewish people celebrate most of their holidays and fast days in memory of and the goal and aspiration to return to Israel and rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem - where it was before it was destroyed and desecrated by the enemies of the Jews. Many of the Jewish prayers for thousands of years recite the love of Israel and the Jewish aspirations to return to their ancestral land and bring back its glory and holiness.
Never in the history of human civilization has one society been forced to reward those seeking to destroy it. In 1948, all the Arab nations surrounding tiny Israel launched a war of extermination, vowing to drive all Jews into the sea. What has been called "The Great Catastrophe" by the Arab world, is NOT the creation of the modern state of Israel, but of the continued failure to wipe out all Jews in the Middle East.
ReplyDeleteNever has the audacity of the prey to defeat the predator been more condemned.
In 1948, there was a UN peace plan on the table calling for separate Jewish and Arab states, and had the Arab states accepted this agreement, they would have had more formerly Jewish land to call their own than any subsequent "peace plan" had to offer.
Their response to the 1948 peace plan? Annihilation of the Jews.
Their response to resettling the Arabs that they themselves caused to become refugees? They refused their requests to be resettled in Arab countries. They were kept inside refugee camps as political pawns and as scapegoats for the problems in the Arab world. They were ordered not to become citizens of Israel
Many readers may be surprised to learn that Israel offered to resettle all of the Arabs who fled their homes in 1948 -- at the behest of their Arab leaders. Instead, their Arab leaders said, "No thanks" to Israel.
After the first Arab-Israeli War In 1948, Jordan seized and occupied the West Bank for the next 19 years without so much as a peep from the UN. Over 20,000 Palestinian Arabs were killed by the Jordanian army, but, again, not a peep from the UN.
The 1948 War ended with a temporary armistice -- when, you ask? Why, just as the ragged Israeli army was routing the "superior Arab forces." With that armistice, came ARMISTICE LINES, NOT BORDERS.
KEY to ALL negotiations for peace has ALWAYS ben the finalization of Israel's borders -- something that Arab countries have never permitted to happen.
For the next eight years, the Arab world was given opportunity after opportunity to make recognize Israel and make peace. Instead, the Arab world, led by Egyptian President Nasser, embarked on yet another, failed attempt to isolate and destroy Israel.
Again, in 1967, the Arabs tried once more to wipe Israel off the map, and succeeded in widening the map for Israel. Israel claimed the West Bank from Jordan, and through a peace agreement with Jordan, retained rights to it.
BUT, all of the Arab states who had tried so many times to destroy Israel, now were demanding that Israel return the land surrendered during the 1967 War.
Never has any country been forced to return land it captured during a war of self-defense. So, why is Israel any different?
Listen carefully. There are no such things as "pre-1967 borders" because the Arab world has NEVER RECOGNIZED ANY BORDERS OF ISRAEL. So, why do they insist that she return to non-existent lines of demarcation? What was supposed to be the original borders of Israel were rejected by the Arab world in 1948, and there have never been any other borders proposed, or agreed to, by the Arab world.
That is part and parcel to the whole fallacy of a "Palestinian state," or a "Palestinian homeland", or anything else having the misnomer of Palestine. There has never been, nor will there ever be, a country or state called PALESTINE.
For these reasons, any mention of "peace agreements" from the Arab world has nothing whatsoever to do with either the recognition of Israel or the cessation of violence against it. As long as any shred of land exists that can be called, Israel, there will be Arabs seeking to drive Jews from it.
If you look in the dictionary under "oxymoron," you will see the phrase, "ARAB-ISRAELI PEACE AGREEMENT,"
I tell the Arab-Palestinians. Go ahead try and take my/our Jewish land if you want to try!
ReplyDeleteThere are laws that will stop you and than there is me/us the IDF that will stop you! We are done being pushed around by anyone. We will fight back and defend ourselves, we will not let the Holocaust repeat itself - NEVER AGAIN.
As it is now, Israel has the Jewish land by right!
That is just the fact!
I am also telling the rest of the world to mind its own business and stay out of Israel's internal affairs.
They have their own problems to contend with.
They were complicit during WWII when over 6 million Jews, men, women and children were exterminated. This will not happen again!
There is a real status quo that requires energy to make the change!
Are you going to put in the energy to try to change it???
Maybe it is better to cut your losses and accept whatever generous package we the Israelis offer you the Arab-Palestinians, because quite frankly under the current conditions we do not owe the Arab-Palestinians anything and we can just unilaterally set our own legal borders insisting that viable land for real Arab-Palestinians self determination already exists in Jordan which is 80% of Jewish allocated land under the San Remo Treaty of 1920!
The Arab-Palestinian can also relocate to the Jewish land previously owned by the million Jewish people who were expelled and their land confiscated by the Arab countries, the confiscated assets and land which is at least five times the size of Israel and is valued in the trillions of dollars.
Israel has resettled the Jewish refugees from Arab lands. It is time that the Arab countries resettle the Arab-Palestinians refugees, in Jordan which was suppose to be part of the Jewish state, or the 120,000 sq. km. of land that
the Arab countries confiscated from the Jews.
The options we are proposing to the Arab-Palestinians is more than fair, considering you are constantly terrorizing and killing our people every chance you get. That is what you tech your Arab children and masses to do.
It all depends on whether we can see the Arab-Palestinians
as peaceful neighbors and there is nothing that they have ever done to date
that can lead us to believe that they will be good peaceful neighbors!
YJ Draiman
Do you want to know what terror is?
ReplyDeleteAsk the Englishmen who witnessed the bombing ofLondon by the Germans U2 missiles during World War 2. The English and the Americans responded by sending thousands of bombers on a daily basis and turned German cities into rubble.
Over 15,000 rockets have been fired into Israel‘s largest cities including Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem this past 10 days.
5 million Israeli civilians plus are living under fire or in bomb shelters.
No country in the world would remain passive in the face of hundreds of rockets targeting her cities – Israel is no exception.
Could Americans visualize 1000 missiles coming across from Mexico what would America‘s response. Americans must realize, Israel is in the same situation – response must be immediate, forceful and complete, no holds barred.
If it happened to any other country, the response would be destroy them at all costs, do not worry about collateral damage.
I know Russia‘s Putin would wipe them and their territory of the face of the earth – world opinion be dammed.
Israel must complete the job this time. Destroy Hamas, Fattah and all the terrorists once and for all. We do not want a repeat performance a few years from now – it will only get worse.
Hezbollah in Lebanon is already starting to shoot missiles at Israel.
Next in-line are the Iranians.
How about utilizing the laser weapon technology to destroy the rockets.
Do not even mention a cease fire – it is out of the question, until the terrorists and their infrastructure is turned into dust. All violence must be stopped. This is an all out war and unfortunately innocents suffer and pay a price.
Do not ask to make peace – peace with who Abbas, The Munich massacre murderer and Abbas the leader of the Palestinian authority who mastermind of The ACHILLE LAURO HIJACKING and murder of an elderly man in a wheelchair. Abbas has a murder conviction with life in prison, he is an escaped convict.
YJ Draiman
When we look at Jewish history, we see a history where the Jewish people have defied the laws of nature and the laws of history! We have survived and impacted this world though we have been thrown out of our land not once, but twice! We have impacted the world perhaps more than any other people in history—the concepts of the value of human life, universal education, justice and equality, the importance of and goal of world peace (as opposed to glorifying war), the importance of a strong stable family as a basis for a moral foundation for society, individual and national responsibility for the world—though we were beaten, killed and exiled from one nation to the other. Though few in number and spread to the four corners of the earth, we survived as a people, never assimilating into anonymity. Even our land, the Land of Israel, defied the laws of nature, only fertile when the Jewish people inhabited it.
ReplyDeleteCoincidence? Good luck? A roll of the dice? Perhaps—except that each and every phenomena was prophesied and predicted in the Torah hundreds and thousands of years before the events. Does it make you think that perhaps something is going on here? That perhaps there is a special relationship between the Almighty and the Jewish people?
The Almighty, the Jewish people and the Torah are intertwined. In the past 3,300 years there have been effort after effort—from within as well as from without—to redefine and redirect our people. Each and every one has failed. If you wonder why, then perhaps the time has come to read the Torah and find out. The Torah is not only our heritage, it is the game plan for the Jewish people and the world.